if you say it often and loud enough

The experience in the gay right movement is that being quiet doesn’t result in change – well, of any movement really.

If an identifiable groups doesn’t stand up and say enough discrimination and second class status – then there can’t be change, because no one will realize the problem.

Naturally,  any attempt to change the status quo will result in resistance and attempts to demonize the group seeking status changes.

Women who pushed for getting the vote were certainly cast as mannish spinsters. Black people seeking civil rights were uppity. Gays who marched w “in our faces”, “ramming their lifestyle down our throats” – all attempts to cast the gay community as immoral sexual predators who want to convert everyone’s kids.

Which always struck me a little funny – are the religious righteous really so insecure that they believe even knowing gays and lesbians exist will convert their children? Are they really saying that the example they set isn’t attractive or compelling to their own children?

Seems to me that the people lacking the morals are the ones who can’t teach them to their children.

The current target of the religious righteous is Atheists.

So again we hear the claims that Atheists are immoral and seeking to corrupt children minds with science.

It’s the main theme of attack – the group that the religious righteous don’t like are immoral, preying on children and seeking corruption of society.

When the reaction is so intensive and touches on the paranoia, there really isn’t any “soft” approach that would appease the religious righteous – other than keeping quiet, to ourselves and stay in the second class shadows of society.

As if the religious righteous had dibs or something.

So, let’s consider facts.

The most outspoken thing any atheist group has done was to rent bus ads saying that there’s probably no god so don’t worry.

Wow. Probably. That’s just so unreasonable.

Let’s compare what religious groups do to be outspoken in their views:

  • Shoot abortion doctor or other authority figures they object to
  • Stalk and harass staff and clients of abortion clinics – and bomb the clinics
  • Suicide bomb on public transit and places
  • Fly planes of varying sizes in to buildings

So, outspoken atheists challenge people’s thinking.

Outspoken religious people, engage in terrorism.

So, who really is the immoral ones undermining society and corrupting young minds?

That the religious righteous occasionally try to seem reasonable by advising atheists to not be too shrill or fundamentalist, because this will drive away moderates.

Aside: That’s another thing, atheism is not a religion – so attempts to frame atheists in religious terms like moderate, fundamentalist is an attempt to make atheists look as divided as religious groups.

Funny how the religious righteous don’t take this advise themselves; as there’s never any call to temper religious public statements so they don’t drive the moderates away

So convinced of their righteousness, that repeating absurd claims over and loud enough is supposed to be compelling and reasonable to moderate people.

I can only guess that the religious righteous speak loudly and repeatedly is to drown out the sound of all the opposing groups – who seek nothing more than equality in western societies that were founded on that very principle.

As a side note, it’s incredibly funny to me that the main arguments for religion are:

  • Pascal’s Wager – c’mon try it, what will it hurt?
  • That a person isn’t religious because they somehow grew up in a society where it’s all around but has managed to not learn anything about it
  • most people are religious, so there has to be something to it

Believing in case there’s a god raises the issue of which god to then bet on and hope that this god you’ve settled on somehow won’t realize that you’re just covering the bases rather than actually believing. What if you back the wrong god? Which, if there was a god, the odds are slim to pick the correct one or pantheon of gods.

That many atheists are more knowledgeable about sacred texts than the adherents of them is generally lost on the theist – and more often than not, it’s knowing about the religion that drives people out of it.

Mobs and masses tend to be lowest common denominators, so, better not to follow the crowd.

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