Who’s in control of heaven?


I am appalled at this Baby Joseph story on so many levels.

The issue is who has control, not the baby’s end or quality of life.

The parents’ control must be limited by reality – ie an ethics board.

Because there is a point at which attempting to maintain a life is torture and in the desperation to keep their child alive, the reality of the torture is lost on the parent.

The refusal to give up hope heedless of the cost is harming the patient and the parent and the health care system – not only by diverting resources that triage practice demands be spent on patients who have a survivable chance.

Worse is that godbots use this as a wedge issue to divert money and energy away from healthcare and solutions that improve the quality of live for everyone;   to create an conflict ridden environment, where the apparent stakes are ramped up beyond reality into a life and death struggle of david and goliath – but where David is not the hero, but a selfish, frightened child defying goliath/authority.

By appealing to a vague deity who claims all life is sacred (regardless of quality), but holds out a promise of eternal bliss or torture.

If religious belief has any truth for the believers – then baptizing the baby and sending it off for eternal bliss in heaven would be the preferable action to maintaining the baby on machines, tortured in status in a state of life, but not having a life at all.

The actions of believers is not only inconsistent, but at odds with their stated beliefs.

So they distract us from what their actions and stated beliefs are really achieving, by dragging us into a debate over what they claim they are doing and saying.

We need to not engage them on their terms – but on ours – which is on the terms of reality.

If they are so sure that there is a heaven, then why do they fight so hard against removing life support?

4 thoughts on “Who’s in control of heaven?

  1. that’s what scary – these parents just wanted their baby to die at home – this was never meant to be Terry Schivo the baby years.

    as they should have known it would become when a US hospital became involved.

    Now the pro-life death fetish groups are using Baby Joe as a poster boy

    and his parents just wanted him to die at home.

  2. the problem with this specific family is that they already had a child die from the SAME GENETIC defect

    they know the baby is going to die – they wanted it to die at home with a tracheotomy, but the hospital refused to do the proceedure, since it would only extend, not save his life.

    Many years ago – the 1970s – a baby was born in Richmond BC without a brain. It was kept alive until it died a few days later.

    A cleaning lady reported to the papers that the hospital was torturing the child and experimenting. They had only put it on life support and kept watch.

    My aunt was the nurse in charge of the infant. It lived 3 days and then died.

    The problem isn’t parens with babies that have a slim chance of recovery – but it’s these types of parents of babies that have none.

    Remember that gal in Texas, who’s baby was born with multiple genetic defects and she wanted it on life support for a lot of money that she wasn’t paying but the taxpayers were; just so it could die as god intended?

    Never mind that left off machines, it would have died within a day of birth? Naturally all on it’s own, or in her terminology, as god intended.

  3. I’m really torn on this issue. I have a personal connection to a person who was not supposed to live to the age of two. Floppy baby syndrome. I would have let the baby die. Actually, I was hoping he would die before he learned to talk, and save his parents from the pain of parting with a personality. His parents fought to save him, and because of the incredible care they gave their son he is now an adult with an amazing, though seriously supported by technology, life. Same problem as Stephen Hawkings. The interventions he’s had over the the years, and his continuing support, have cost society a bundle. But he’s one of the happiest guys I’ve ever met. Very intelligent. Very active in the medical marijuanna community. He’s living a valuable life that I would have thrown away. It’s been torture for his family, for many years. Also an incredible learning experience and great joy at times. What is a life worth?
    The doctors say that Baby Joseph is in a “vegetative state”. If that’s true, then there’s nothing of value to keep alive. Saving a collection of protoplasm at great expense for religious reasons is obviously stupid sentamentality. But I’d want to know more about the case before I passed any judgements.
    I’m all for trusting doctors, but then they are the people who said masturbation caused insanity and heart disease, and promoted circumcision and clitorectomies to prevent that horrible vice. So my trust only goes so far.

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