Patriotism – a US v Canada Debate

I wanted to share a discussion I had on a forum with an American Patriot, posting as “The Patriot”.

It was interesting, growing up in Canada and in the shadow of the UK and the US – and Canadian identity seemed unclear between these two nations. But now, I find the distinction glaring.

The Patriot’s text is left justified and my responses are indented with the left bar:

The Patriot:

Sorry but when my ancestors immigrated on the mayflower from England to America they established a strong nation with Christian values and European traditions..These values and ideals then spread to Canada,we white people have been here now for many generations.

The Mayflower people were a particular group that settled in New England they were not the founding fathers of america – but a group of people who were intolerant and uptight and pretty much kicked out of England for being so.

You clearly don’t understand how Canada and the US were populated with many waves of immigrants, and American so call values didn’t migrate up to infect Canada – Canada is a very different country than the US. We like our capitalism tempered with socialism – capitalism with a heart.

I would say this country is ours as we are the first civil people to live here not that I hate other cultures and religions it’s just we are becoming too multicultural…

US is not multicultural, it’s a melting pot that reduces people down to the lowest common denominator. I would also suggest that there is yet to be civil people living in the states, given your statement, as you clearly do hate, fear and mistrust other cultures and have no confidence in your own or yourself to be so threatened.

If you had any self esteem or strong sense of culture, then that other people have a strong cultural identity wouldn’t bother you at all.

The aboriginal people who were in what became US and Canada were not technologically advanced, they were still essentially a stone aged culture were perfectly civil – they had strong cultures, oral traditions and they had complex societies and customs.

You are confusing technology with behavior – the way that the aboriginals were treated does not indicate civil behavior on the part of Europeans who arrived and slaughtered them to take the resources for themselves.

It is no longer acceptable to think in terms of nation, but we must think globally and the earth has many cultures – we are a multicultural species, regardless of your personal hermit isolationist and self centered preferences.

We need to have a stronghold for are values, Canada is a Christian stronghold whereas India is Hindi stronghold.It’s time Canada took a lesson from the great United states of America and started to stand up and protect our way of life.

Canada is not a stronghold or an imitation of America – we are a multicultural society and proud to be so.

There is no need to cling to one way of life – there are many ways to live – and what the essentials of life are – food, shelter, family – are the same in all cultures – the differences are all minor window dressing as to be the manner of dress, preparation of foods, all the how of what we do.

The United States hasn’t been great for a very long time – you started with a bang of humanist enlightenment and fizzled out as religion wormed it’s way into the halls of government.

And, the isolationist stance where you act as if you are not part of the world – despite the invitation to the poor for a better place to be.

We would be selling out our sovereignty if we didn’t. Sikhs are arrogant and they terrorists,They are committed too coming here to disrupt our way of life. I can tell you this ,a Sikh will never be in a position of power in this country.It’s time we brought back the old Canada.By the way I do not hate Sikhs themselves I just hate what they stand for.

 You hate Sikhs for doing what you want to do – get your own place and build a fence around it and declare it wholly your own an independent of everyone else.

It is time to stop pining for what we think the old anything was and look to the future and new ways to share the planet

not be ostriches with heads in the sand or up their butts.

4 thoughts on “Patriotism – a US v Canada Debate

  1. You run into a lot of that here in the U.S. That is, people who perceive a threat from one place, when it clearly comes from somewhere else. Blind patriotism is far more dangerous to freedom than a particular ethnic group or collection of immigrants from a certain part of the world.

    • blind worship of authority, be it to a diety or a nation or an idea, is the danger posed to freedoms.

      whether the blind worship is sourced from within or without and questioning that blind worship is the biggest threat to said blind worship.

      I just posted this to a godbot who was calling athiests dorks and demanding that we respect his religion if we don’t want it shoved in our faces (seriously, that is what he wrote, although, it was much wordier and less elegant)

      I responded with:

      if you want respect for you and your beliefs, then don’t hold dear such stupid beleifs

      showing respect when none is felt or deserved would be being a hypocrite – I know that’s a lot to ask of you to understand, so take your time with it.

      but we can’t control religion being shoved in our faces – that’s down to you lot doing the shoving and demanding respect.

      pushing and bullying people with your beliefs are not the way to earn respect.

      Try to demonstrate that your religion is what you are advertising – a framework for moral conduct – because I’ve yet to see any religious person being moral in the public square – it’s all about condemning other people and denying them rights that they are due just because they are citizens of the same country

      there is a lack of respect in the world and especially in the US, and it starts with the idea that one group is special above all others because of a set of shared beliefs.

      Until you don’t view yourself as above everyone else, no one is going to respect you as much as you respect you.

      And you respect you, based on a false premise that your belief sets you apart and you know what’s best for everyone.

  2. Sheesh. No point in talking to a fool this ignorant of history. This ignorant in general. I was hoping he’d actually say something worth debating, but no. Just an American version of the infamous Mohamad.

    • I was actually astonished at his utter lack of awareness of how ignorant he is – owing to his myopic my country, right or wrong and it’s never wrong mentality.

      honestly, I was a little curious how it was that he learned or was willing to use a godless computer.

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