god authority

God is not a creator or a force in the universe, it is merely the authority that a person appeals to in order to force their moral distinctions onto another person and society, rather than leaving everyone to determine and manage their own or collective moral code.


3 thoughts on “god authority

  1. @John Barron If God exists, which seems improbable, there is very little agreement about what He says or wants. Please explain how basing a morality on a non-existent being is any different from basing morality on what we, the people, agree is a good thing.
    Religious leaders can and have claimed, with no evidence or proof, that God wants ANY morality that comes into their head,
    The reduction to absurdity argument in your first sentence blew my irony meter to bits. You do realize that religious leaders are calling for the death penalty for homosexuality and persecuting atheists as I type this. Get real.

  2. So then you would be ok with you that a society’s moral code that included the rape and murder of atheists and homosexuals? If that was their determined and agreed apon moral code, it’s ok, right? Or does that seem wrong even if an entire culture thought it was right?

    I know this was just meant to be a quick thing, but I think it’s poorly thought out. As we discussed over on my page, when people are left to create their own moral code, there is nothing to prevent a society from doing just that, making it up to their own benefit, and it leaves you no room to tell them they are wrong outside expressing disagreement. Also, based on your standard, civil rights leaders such as MLK were by definition immoral because he was going against the society’s determined and agreed apon moral code of segrigation. Nazi Germany was morally right because their society thought it was good to gas the Jews, and if the Jews didn’t like it, they were immoral because they were going against the society’s determined moral good. Are you seeing the problem with relativism yet?

    But just as an fyi, everyone’s worldview guides their moral understanding. And I could say the same about your view–that secularism isn’t true, it’s just a philosophy that humanists appeal to in order to force their morality on others. See, it’s not exclusive to religion.

    • If that raping and killing of particular groups were the norm of a society that I was raised in, then probably yes, I would be okay with it because that’s what I was raised in as being moral and normal.

      As for people like MLK, The Group of 5 and other individuals and groups who stood apart from the social norms of the day to say there is a better way to be – they are not immoral – they are exceeding the moral norms and raising the stakes – and over time, either their higher standard is adopted – women got to vote, slavery was ended, interracial marriage, anti-discrimination laws – all become the new normal.

      You aren’t able to project from my moral standard because you are not understanding my standard – you are reading what I’ve written, made an assumption and proceeded as if your assumption is true – when it is not.

      I agree with you that everyone’s worldview informs their morals, but secularism is true – secular society exists – albeit under constant seige from religious society – but it exists nonetheless – more than that, by secular society, we are including all people being able to free and sovergien agents in society – and you misunderstand secular if you think it’s about forcing anything on anyone.

      Secular is more like a referee keeping everyone in thier private corners where their personal soviegthy reigns (your home) and making sure that the public space is accessbile to everyone, without any group getting preference over any others.

      But yes, claiming an authority for which there is no evidence of it’s existance is entirely a religious matter, because religion relies on supernatural for meaning

      and humanism relies on humans

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