Sometimes Atheists are dumb

Consider more what the person is asking for and not the context of their question or what you think about the framework – this person is seeking comfort outside of their faith and most of these answers really are appalling coming from people who tend to position themselves as humanists – because seriously – that is a human in pain and seeking comfort – not lectures, not sarcasm and not suck it up that’s just life – but seeking comfort in a heightened context.

be kind and pay it forward. not just saying





Sin is not real so be Good Without God or expecting rewards

The Terrible Beauty that is Truth and the Painful Truth that is Beauty

Arthur Quiller-Couch, ed. 1919. The Oxford Book of English Verse: 1250–1900.
John Keats. 1795–1821
625. Ode on a Grecian Urn
THOU still unravish’d bride of quietness,
  Thou foster-child of Silence and slow Time,
Sylvan historian, who canst thus express
  A flowery tale more sweetly than our rhyme:
What leaf-fringed legend haunts about thy shape          5
  Of deities or mortals, or of both,
    In Tempe or the dales of Arcady?
  What men or gods are these? What maidens loth?
What mad pursuit? What struggle to escape?
    What pipes and timbrels? What wild ecstasy?   10
Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard
  Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;
Not to the sensual ear, but, more endear’d,
  Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone:
Fair youth, beneath the trees, thou canst not leave   15
  Thy song, nor ever can those trees be bare;
    Bold Lover, never, never canst thou kiss,
Though winning near the goal—yet, do not grieve;
    She cannot fade, though thou hast not thy bliss,
  For ever wilt thou love, and she be fair!   20
Ah, happy, happy boughs! that cannot shed
  Your leaves, nor ever bid the Spring adieu;
And, happy melodist, unwearièd,
  For ever piping songs for ever new;
More happy love! more happy, happy love!   25
  For ever warm and still to be enjoy’d,
    For ever panting, and for ever young;
All breathing human passion far above,
  That leaves a heart high-sorrowful and cloy’d,
    A burning forehead, and a parching tongue.   30
Who are these coming to the sacrifice?
  To what green altar, O mysterious priest,
Lead’st thou that heifer lowing at the skies,
  And all her silken flanks with garlands drest?
What little town by river or sea-shore,   35
  Or mountain-built with peaceful citadel,
    Is emptied of its folk, this pious morn?
And, little town, thy streets for evermore
  Will silent be; and not a soul, to tell
    Why thou art desolate, can e’er return.   40
O Attic shape! fair attitude! with brede
  Of marble men and maidens overwrought,
With forest branches and the trodden weed;
  Thou, silent form! dost tease us out of thought
As doth eternity: Cold Pastoral!   45
  When old age shall this generation waste,
    Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
  Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say’st,
‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
    Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.’   50

MY Dearest Readers

Okay – I think that I can talk calmly now – at least about one part of that phone call.

and all I am going to say – for right now – because – I do not yet feel emotionally calm enough to stay on point or in focuss – maybe that’s a clue that I should walk away from the computer until I am calm – but –

you see – dearest readers – I cannot deny truth when I hear it – even and especially when I don’t want to hear it the most – I think that we can all just agree to relate to that – from time to time – we don’t want to hear the truth or any truth and we tell ourselves that – that’s just that person’s truth.

and we can dismiss it – because – if it’s just THAT PERSON’s truth – well, then it’s not really true – right – and we don’t have to listen.

Now – I know how exhausting that I can be – exasperating even – because – as I have repeated said, Dearest Readers – I am as smart as I am a pain in the ass.

An I know that I get obsessive and I am a very intense person – and that is why – many of my personal relationships have failed.

I have high standards and I hold to them – always – and most people – sorry Dearest Readers – most people do not have the courage of their convictions – so when anyone has the courage of their convictions – we admire them.

And we absolutely should not admire people who just have the courage of their convictions.

What the convictions are matters – so much so – that – I made this graphic at some point on this blog or my Shut In Stand Up Blog – and I can’t remember which one – and I can’t be bothered to go back and look – but I did – put it on another website – and I can find it over on very easily –

Without any apology to Margaret Meed – who despite being teased and not understanding that culture she was studying – she did manage to come up with that most excellent of observations.

Fanatics have all the courage of their convictions – and this is what convictions – when not tempered with reason, logic, compassion and love for all life or at least – our fellow human’s lives – gets you.

There is nothing admirable about that kind of conviction.

Religion is a conspiracy theory

That every culture has come up with their own religion and deities does demonstrate that gods are human inventions, no different than Santa Claus and the boogey man – fictional characters meant to stand as enforcement of behaviour by providing a reward/punishment that is beyond the scope of the parents – who can only reward and punish behaviors that they become aware of; while Santa, boogey man, god and all other supernatural creatures are constantly aware and vigilant.

That all cultures have invented gods and religion, speaks to how effective a means that religion is to control thought and behaviour. Especially evidenced by how believers become active participants in the control mechanism by embracing it and touting it as true – despite the utter lack of evidence.

Religion is the ultimate conspiracy theory, in which the lack of evidence for is claimed as evidence of and the idea is against not only all evidence, but also logic, history and reason.

And like conspiracy theories, facts, evidence and reality to the contrary of the pet theory, does not dissuade believers – it only reinforces their confirmation bias as believing contrary to evidence, is what faith essentially is.

Why Good People Do Evil

All it takes for a good person to do evil is the right set of circumstances and social conditioning.

I no longer see any magnitude difference between a man coming into my home and raping or killing me, than that same man walking into a voting booth to take away my civil rights because I’m a lesbian or because I’m atheist or some other group identifier.

When one person believes that another is not due any compassion or personal sovereignty, then removing rights and killing the person’s legal status is not substantially different than killing them outright.

What is it that makes it okay, even the right thing to do, for one person to send other people to their deaths?

Certainty in the rightness of their singular world view is the very scary answer, since the source of this certainty and the worldview tends to be religion.

There was a lot of discussion over the Islamic response to the Danish Cartoons and worrisomely, a lot of martyr-style whining from Western Democratic Christians about how they have to put up with so much abuse from Hollywood and the world of art, feminists, gays, secular society – and specifically, how they would not be able to get away with such violent behavior in response to such minor offenses that the Islamic world routinely looses their mind over.

Now, this is concerning on many levels – because foremost, it sounds a lot like the Christians are envying Islamic world  because they regularly riot – so efforts are made to not offend. More worrisome, is that the Christians view the slights against Islam with a sense of proportion – it’s just cartoons – but they are not able to see any slight they perceive against themselves as being just a movie, a book, a painting, a whatever.

So, what the Christians are really saying, is that they want to respond to offenses with violent rioting and to turn back the clock and get to be able to be medieval on our asses again.

Aside: I have long suspected that one of the reasons that Christians object to gay newspapers is because the personal ads are sexuality explicit, and it’s not the explicit per se, but rather that a gay man can post an explicit advert citing size, sexual position and details and get many responses to that ad, but straight men can’t post a similar ad and get any or any quality responses from women. It’s jealousy, not moral outrage.

The only thing that is stopping the average theists in a Western Democratic country from behaving violently as a group is because the foundation for the nations are not religion. Western Democratic countries are not theocracies. Capitalism is the basis and under capitalism, you cannot afford to alienate whole swathes of customers or the labour force.

Combining capitalism with individual rights and freedoms – and religious beliefs are no longer the main framework for behavior in society. Religion is reduced from being the social contract to being a personal choice, your private business.

Public business is conducted on the basis of a secular structure.

This explains why theists are constantly feeling attacked, no matter what order of magnitude the offense is, because their private framework for understanding and responding to the world, isn’t shared by the world they inhabit.

The secular foundational laws – the US Bill of Rights, the Canadian Charter of rights – all the way back to the Magna Carta which set out rights as standardized and guaranteed law and meant that people were no longer ruled by the king’s whim – basically with the stoke of the signatures, removed religion from the public sphere – and religion has not gone willingly.

But, it is going steadily, as additional legislation is added to ensure that the broadly worded foundational documents clarify and specify that yes, Everyone means everyone, not everyone except this gender, or colour or sexuality or ability or religion or belief or or or or or whoever. Everyone means every one.

Except that religionists, because they had control of how everyone included is not feeling attacked because what everyone means is that they are not special and can’t discriminate – and they liked to discriminate, they’ve always been able to discriminate – and to take away their right and ability to discriminate is …wait for it…discriminating against them.

But, there is no right to discriminate and there is no way to be tolerant to bigots and be tolerant to those the bigots target. So, we accept the lesser of the discriminations and say that the historical discrimination is less acceptable, so get over it bigots. Learn to tolerate.

But, but, but say the religious bigots – look at those religious bigots who are rioting and destroying things and killing people. We’re not as bad.

Except, yah are, Bigot, yah are – yah just can’t get away with it anymore.

Because you live in a capitalist society that has individual freedoms, you can go and violently riot – but you will be arrested and charged. There are consequences for violent riots, because the basis for our society doesn’t allow for violent riots. Theocratic societies too – violent riots are encouraged and sanctioned even – because that way, those in power, remain in power and the average theist in a theocratic nation doesn’t start to think, hey, why is it that when Christians are offended that they don’t riot? What are they scared to lose? Don’t they love their god and want to show devotion to their god? Why do they allow other people to blaspheme?

And, as long as the average theocratic theists continues in that mindset, then they will view Christians as weak in faith and go and go kill someone for wanting to vote or not wear the magic clothes or blow themselves up to make their god’s point.

But, if the average theocratic theist took a moment, and looked at the distribution of wealth in their country compared to a Capitalist democratic one – if they turned to themselves to support themselves and have a good life now and not later, in the afterlife after decades of suffering in poverty and trying to balance middle ages society with modern technology – they might instead of rioting for god, riot against the government – and start to expect individual rights and freedoms.

Wait, that’s actually is what’s happening in Egypt and Libya. So, why is it that the Americans, who used be to the shining light of human rights in the world, are now looking to go back in time, when, that light is finally reflecting back?

Capitalism is a civilizing influence and it needs to be alloyed or tempered with collectivism, to ensure that everyone truly has equal access and treatment under the law to be sustainable. We have to err on the side of inclusion and tolerance and not allow intolerance to flourish, even when it means being intolerant to intolerance.

All it takes for a good person to do good, is give consideration to the next person who is seemed lesser than by society. In that way, we are all elevated and meaningful equality becomes possible. Not just equal under the law or equal access.