In conversation with Queers

Nature vs Nurture – a continuing conversation – in progress

that’s the problem in America though

religious nuts who keep saying that complexity is irreducible

and it’s not – not all all – the mathematics of Choas theory prove complexity changes at the quantum level – where all complexity patterns are reduced to simple chaos and possibility

and the problem has been – not the mass information and not the complexity of the apparent and varied patterns, depending on what patterns you can recognize, given any person’s education, intelligence, experience and ability to change and adapt to new information

but the simplistic, self serving manner in which people misinterpret the data to serve THEIR Purposes (ie: nazis, religious groups, non-secular democratic governments, special interest groups, and secular democratic governments who’ve been hijacked by these types of groups and have gone off message from their stated Bills or Charter of Rights…..)

instead of letting the data lead to conclusions – no matter how uncomfortable that truth may be – people are imposing their simple understanding of the world and rejecting the complexity as too hard – so cannot see that complexity is scalable, compactible, reproducible across many areas of study in fact – and all complexity can be reduced to simple truths – every easily when you are willing to comprehend – not just that there is complexity – but that said complexity is predictable, even as it varies, with variables in context and circumstances.

it’s that predictability that reduces complexity into simple truths –

Darwin’s cousin used math to quantify human being’s variation – body measurements – as what are the averages and the range of natural variation – and discovered “regression towards the mean” – a critical concept in evolution – that Darwin had yet to write about – and Darwin and many others – including Wallace of the famous Wallace Line – were all writing about.

That non-scientific groups co-opted this work to justify their simplistic hatred – is NOT a condemnation of the science – but in how humans corrupted it for evil purpose.

However – that Religious Groups – assert that they are for Love and Peace – all while Denying civil rights to minorities, while Genociding Heretics and Undesirables throughout history and into the current day – that’s all down to people and the beliefs that they hold that are not based in reason, logic or anything scientific –

NO MATTER WHAT SCIENCY SOUNDING WORDS CREATIONISM IS TARTED UP WITH – there is no such thing as “Creation Science” because a system that cannot make predictions – cannot create or test or prove or demonstrate – anything – creates nothing, proves nothing – and is no different from the religion that it sprang from –

Apologetics and Creationism are all about keeping unchurched Religious people within the religious flock – away from any real world logic or reason or understanding of the universe, this planet and being a good person who can work and play well with others.
evolution is random, it’s fits and starts, trial and error – without any direction or artificial selection – things are born, they experience life, their experience turns their genes off and on – and they pass down genes to their offspring – and in between offspring – the parents’ genes are turn off and one – giving each individual offspring – a slightly different code within a common child rearing experience –

which is why, it is so difficult to determine – what part is nature and what part is nurture – because genes, are turned off and on by many things over the generations and over each person’s lifetime of experience of the world – and each of us – is a bead, on a string – in front of every single direct line ancestor behind us and behind every direct line descendant in front of us.

and each “family” string is interconnected, like a spider web – to many other strings and in many other ways…..

and what humans try to impose on each other – is entirely artificial

so the only possible truth that can be demonstrated – is the cruelty of human stupidity – supported by the arrogant belief – that only their preferred kind of human is divine or worse, socially acceptable

while supppressing all human achievement to bettering our understanding of the universe and everything in it – and proving, it’s all random at the quantum level – and we do not yet have the scientific knowledge – to understand that level – so have come to no scientific conclusions – and can’t

about whether it’s nature or nurture

on the cosmic scale – but we’ve learned enough to know – how nature and nurture – plays out in people

and there’s nothing divine about one group asserting divine will over any other group – when their divinity is the bliss of ignorance.